Schiit Lyr 5 vs Schiit Vali 3

Both are desktop amplifiers, $799 against $149. This page puts them side by side on the only three things a maker can be held to — power, output impedance and noise — and then asks the question that actually matters: which headphones do they treat differently?

On raw power they are level: each reaches 100 dB on 567 of the 567 non-electrostatic models here.

Every published figure, next to each other

SpecificationSchiit Lyr 5Schiit Vali 3
Power into 32Ω6.0 W1.5 W
Power into 150Ω1.5 W496 mW
Power into 300Ω900 mW400 mW
Power into 600Ω450 mW200 mW
Output impedance0.4 Ω0.5 Ω
Output noise3.99 µV2.83 µV
Price$799$149
Headphones it reaches 100 dB on
out of 567
567567

A figure marked not published is missing from the maker’s own material, which is not the same as being good or bad. Where one of these two publishes a number and the other does not, the comparison on that axis cannot be made at all — and saying so is more useful than guessing.

Where each power figure comes from

LoadSchiit Lyr 5Schiit Vali 3
32 ΩPublishedPublished
150 ΩDerivedDerived
300 ΩPublishedPublished
600 ΩPublishedPublished

Both makers publish a power rating, which is less common than the table above makes it look: of the 280 sources here, 209 publish a figure at at least one load and only 2 publish one at all four. Schiit Lyr 5 publishes at 32 Ω, at 300 Ω and at 600 Ω; Schiit Vali 3 at 32 Ω, at 300 Ω and at 600 Ω. Every other row is worked out from those — between two published loads, or beyond them holding voltage constant, which understates rather than flatters.

The two publish at the same loads, which is the one case where the rows of this table can be read straight across.

What each of these labels means, and why a derived figure is still worth printing, is set out in how this data was built.

The headphones that tell them apart

On power they are interchangeable across this whole database: there is no headphone here that one reaches 100 dB on and the other does not.

20 headphones stay below the audible-hiss threshold on the Schiit Vali 3 but cross it on the Schiit Lyr 5 (AFUL Performer 8, Audio-Technica ATH-CKS1100, Austrian Audio Hi-X25BT, 17 more).

567 of the 567 models here reach 100 dB on both. That is a power count and nothing more; whether either source suits a given headphone also depends on the two lines above.

Headroom and hiss on 8 models, both sources

The counts above say how many models the two treat differently. This says by how much. The same 8 headphones appear on every page of this kind, ordered from the easiest to drive to the hardest, so a row can be read across pages as well as across columns. Headroom is at a 100 dB SPL peak.

The widest gap on the list is the Shure SE846: Schiit Lyr 5 has +51 dB of headroom there against +40 dB. 11 dB is about 12 times the power, which matters for peaks rather than for how loud the music sits.

Hiss is this source’s own noise, in decibels SPL, in that headphone — not a rating. Below about 20 dB SPL it is under the threshold of hearing in a quiet room; a negative figure means it is far below it.

HeadphoneImpedanceNeedsSchiit Lyr 5 headroomSchiit Vali 3 headroomSchiit Lyr 5 hissSchiit Vali 3 hiss
Shure SE8469 Ω0.04 mW+51 dB+40 dB26 dB23 dB
Campfire Audio Andromeda 20209 Ω4.0 mW+31 dB+20 dB6 dB3 dB
Audeze LCD-2 Classic70 Ω0.79 mW+36 dB+30 dB5 dB2 dB
Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro (250Ω)250 Ω0.63 mW+32 dB+28 dB0 dB-3 dB
HiFiMAN HE400se25 Ω7.9 mW+29 dB+22 dB-1 dB-4 dB
Audio-Technica ATH-R70X470 Ω1.6 mW+26 dB+22 dB-7 dB-10 dB
Sennheiser HD 600300 Ω6.6 mW+21 dB+18 dB-11 dB-14 dB
HiFiMAN Susvara60 Ω50 mW+18 dB+12 dB-13 dB-16 dB

The gap in dollars, against the gap in numbers

The Schiit Lyr 5 costs $650 more than the Schiit Vali 3, and on these three axes the money buys nothing: among the 567 models here there is not one that the Schiit Lyr 5 handles and the Schiit Vali 3 does not — not on power, not on the one-eighth rule, not on hiss. The traffic runs the other way: the cheaper Schiit Vali 3 keeps 20 models below the audible-hiss threshold that the Schiit Lyr 5 does not.

Everything in this paragraph counts only figures the two makers published. An advantage on an axis one of them leaves blank cannot be counted, and is not counted — how often that happens is its own page.

Both pages in full

Each has a page of its own with every power figure traced to what the maker published and a full headphone list: Schiit Lyr 5 and Schiit Vali 3. Or put either against your own headphones in the source comparison tool.

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