Hype 4 vs Origin: which needs more amplifier?

The Thieaudio Hype 4 is 17Ω at 105.0 dB (no reference unit printed); the Thieaudio Origin is 9Ω at 102.0 dB (no reference unit printed). This page covers what they ask of an amplifier, not how they sound.

The Origin needs 3.0 dB more than the Hype 4 to reach the same loudness — 0.63 mW against 0.32 mW.

The numbers that decide it

SpecificationHype 4Origin
Impedance17 Ω9 Ω
Sensitivity105.0 dB102.0 dB
Sensitivity (voltage)122.7 dB/V122.5 dB/V
Power for 100 dB0.32 mW0.63 mW
Voltage for 100 dB73 mV75 mV
Current for 100 dB4.3 mA8.4 mA
Highest source impedance
that leaves them alone (one-eighth rule)
2.12 Ω1.12 Ω
Sources that reach 100 dB
out of 280
280280

One caution before reading the rows. Thieaudio Hype 4 and Thieaudio Origin printed a decibel figure with no reference unit, so this page reads it as per milliwatt. If it is really per volt, each of them needs far more than the table says. Why the two readings differ by so much.

Where the two part company

Every source in the database that drives one of them drives the other. On power, the choice between these two changes nothing about what amplifier you need.

11 sources are low enough in output impedance for the Hype 4 under the one-eighth rule but not for the Origin (FiiO KA13, FiiO K11, Schiit Vali 2+, 8 more).

280 of the 280 sources here reach 100 dB on both.

What each one needs from 80 to 105 dB

The Origin is more demanding than 24% of the 567 non-electrostatic models in this database; the Hype 4 than 23%.

dB SPLHype 4 powerHype 4 voltageOrigin powerOrigin voltage
803.2 µW7 mV6.3 µW8 mV
850.01 mW13 mV0.02 mW13 mV
900.03 mW23 mV0.06 mW24 mV
950.10 mW41 mV0.20 mW42 mV
1000.32 mW73 mV0.63 mW75 mV
1051.0 mW0.13 V2.0 mW0.13 V

The cheapest source that satisfies both

SourcePriceHeadroom, Hype 4Headroom, OriginOutput impedanceNoise
JadeAudio JA11$2017.0 dB11.3 dB0.5 Ω1.7 µV
FiiO KA11$2928.8 dB23.4 dB0.7 Ω1.7 µV
FiiO BTR13$5925.7 dB20.3 dB0.6 Ω1.0 µV

Of the 280 sources here, 280 reach 100 dB on both. 60 of them also publish an output impedance low enough for both under the one-eighth rule and a noise figure that stays below the audible-hiss threshold with both.

The cheapest of the 60 is the JadeAudio JA11, at $20. It leaves 17.0 dB of headroom on the Hype 4 and 11.3 dB on the Origin, its output impedance is 0.5 Ω against a one-eighth limit of 2.12 Ω and 1.12 Ω, and its noise figure puts the hiss floor 13 dB and 13 dB below the 20 dB SPL this site treats as the point where a quiet room stops hiding it.

Try any other source.

What each sheet prints, and what it is worth

ModelAs printedToleranceStandard
Hype 4nothing printed——
Origin20Hz – 44kHznot printednot printed

Thieaudio prints nothing at all for the Hype 4 and 20Hz – 44kHz for the Origin.

So one side of this comparison has a frequency-response number and the other does not — which changes less than it looks. The range printed for the Origin comes with no tolerance beside it, and a range without a ±dB figure says nothing about how loud the headphone is at either end of it: thirty decibels down at the bottom and the sentence would still be true. On the only reading that would have made it a specification, the two sheets say the same amount: nothing.

Not a measurement; maker by maker.

Both pages in full

Both have a page of their own. In full: Thieaudio Hype 4 and Thieaudio Origin. Each figure on this page is labelled on those pages with where it came from, including the ones Thieaudio never published — what that maker publishes, counted.

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