Origin vs Prestige LTD: which needs more amplifier?

The Thieaudio Origin is 9Ω at 102.0 dB (no reference unit printed); the Thieaudio Prestige LTD is 22Ω at 99.0 dB (no reference unit printed). This page covers what they ask of an amplifier, not how they sound.

The Prestige LTD needs 3.0 dB more than the Origin to reach the same loudness — 1.3 mW against 0.63 mW.

The numbers that decide it

SpecificationOriginPrestige LTD
Impedance9 Ω22 Ω
Sensitivity102.0 dB99.0 dB
Sensitivity (voltage)122.5 dB/V115.6 dB/V
Power for 100 dB0.63 mW1.3 mW
Voltage for 100 dB75 mV0.17 V
Current for 100 dB8.4 mA7.6 mA
Highest source impedance
that leaves them alone (one-eighth rule)
1.12 Ω2.75 Ω
Sources that reach 100 dB
out of 280
280280

One caution before reading the rows. Thieaudio Origin and Thieaudio Prestige LTD printed a decibel figure with no reference unit, so this page reads it as per milliwatt. If it is really per volt, each of them needs far more than the table says. Why the two readings differ by so much.

Where the two part company

Every source in the database that drives one of them drives the other. On power, the choice between these two changes nothing about what amplifier you need.

11 sources are low enough in output impedance for the Prestige LTD under the one-eighth rule but not for the Origin (FiiO KA13, FiiO K11, Schiit Vali 2+, 8 more).

2 sources stay below the audible-hiss threshold with the Prestige LTD but cross it with the Origin (FiiO BTR11, Rupert Neve RNHP).

280 of the 280 sources here reach 100 dB on both.

What each one needs from 80 to 105 dB

The Prestige LTD is more demanding than 51% of the 567 non-electrostatic models in this database; the Origin than 24%.

dB SPLOrigin powerOrigin voltagePrestige LTD powerPrestige LTD voltage
806.3 µW8 mV0.01 mW17 mV
850.02 mW13 mV0.04 mW30 mV
900.06 mW24 mV0.13 mW53 mV
950.20 mW42 mV0.40 mW94 mV
1000.63 mW75 mV1.3 mW0.17 V
1052.0 mW0.13 V4.0 mW0.30 V

The cheapest source that satisfies both

SourcePriceHeadroom, OriginHeadroom, Prestige LTDOutput impedanceNoise
JadeAudio JA11$2011.3 dB12.1 dB0.5 Ω1.7 µV
FiiO KA11$2923.4 dB22.4 dB0.7 Ω1.7 µV
FiiO BTR13$5920.3 dB19.3 dB0.6 Ω1.0 µV

Of the 280 sources here, 280 reach 100 dB on both. 60 of them also publish an output impedance low enough for both under the one-eighth rule and a noise figure that stays below the audible-hiss threshold with both.

The cheapest of the 60 is the JadeAudio JA11, at $20. It leaves 11.3 dB of headroom on the Origin and 12.1 dB on the Prestige LTD, its output impedance is 0.5 Ω against a one-eighth limit of 1.12 Ω and 2.75 Ω, and its noise figure puts the hiss floor 13 dB and 20 dB below the 20 dB SPL this site treats as the point where a quiet room stops hiding it.

Try any other source.

What each sheet prints, and what it is worth

ModelAs printedToleranceStandard
Origin20Hz – 44kHznot printednot printed
Prestige LTDnothing printed——

Thieaudio prints 20Hz – 44kHz for the Origin and nothing at all for the Prestige LTD.

So one side of this comparison has a frequency-response number and the other does not — which changes less than it looks. The range printed for the Origin comes with no tolerance beside it, and a range without a ±dB figure says nothing about how loud the headphone is at either end of it: thirty decibels down at the bottom and the sentence would still be true. On the only reading that would have made it a specification, the two sheets say the same amount: nothing.

Not a measurement; maker by maker.

Both pages in full

Both have a page of their own. In full: Thieaudio Origin and Thieaudio Prestige LTD. Each figure on this page is labelled on those pages with where it came from, including the ones Thieaudio never published — what that maker publishes, counted.

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